8: Optimal Training for Firefighting and Military w/ Colton Kloote

8: Optimal Training for Firefighting and Military w/ Colton Kloote

8: Optimal Training for Firefighting and Military w/ Colton Kloote

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OPTC’s finest coach and athlete, Colton Kloote, joins us to talk about optimal training for firefighting and the military. Colton goes deep into the memory pool to tell his origin story. One of our best coaches ever to grace the program, Colton will be deeply missed as he goes off to join the National Guard this August of 2020. May he one day return to the OPP and give us an update on all of his misadventures.

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Mr. Colton Kloote


Good morning, we’re live here, we are well no BP podcast episode number eight number eight got coffee on it is Tuesday beautiful, rainy morning, yeah. And we are just talking about fat boys and training yeah come on talk about linemen and like how how they need to be a better transition from like performance to health like those holy cow somebody’s dudes are massive. 

Oh that’s really good point, but they’re like, More than encourage almost paid to get big right in a way they are almost like they are like penalized for not yeah being big especially like a high level yeah the higher level schools like I know like at least the professional level like they people get fined if they are if they go up over below a certain body weight yeah well I wasn’t I didn’t even know they did that’s much of a girl athletes, like do their front yes staff she was. 

Kind of like getting looked at to go they throw shot put and she was talking with Grand Valley State and they were probably saying they’re bigger, they wanted her to keep yes a thirty pounds. I’m like that is tough to get off. I’ve seen their throwers at the track and the indoor field there and there’s some big girls yeah, there’s no question. 

I mean that I think I mean, it’s getting that’s the problem with like the teams work coach versus like the strength of the machine coach because like right big isn’t necessarily stronger yeah it definitely helps and it’s for like that for sure. But it’s like for someone like Steph I mean, she’s super lean and athletic already like I think that would only inhibit that side. 

I think I mean it yeah granny like yeah maybe like she could like if she was gonna go pursue that probably an extra 10 pounds wouldn’t hurt her but 30 we do yeah yeah look at the best the best in the biz like at the Olympic trials or whatever it is, like your disc is throwers or usually lean and tall you’re. 

Shot putters are big but they’re not like like what we see in college it’s like oh just game 60 pounds you’ll get a ton of power yeah they just yeah, they just assumed that more mass equals more force which is not always the case. I mean looking slowly slowly down to 100% a hundred percent and especially if it’s rapid like that like the body this is like dude like how much will handle the stress of this extra 60 pounds and then expect to like perform at the highest level possible miss shop was like a violent twisting motion to spinal shoot oxygen, yeah yeah. 

Seriously well today we do have a guest because you haven’t noticed today, we have our director of athletic performance colon cleats in the house, welcome welcome, thanks, thanks for having me on why don’t you go ahead and tell us a little bit about your story kind of a little bit of your like athletic background how you kind of got in the coaching just kind of starting that I guess the beginning and then going from there yeah, so I was here training with well, I guess before that even I was a sophomore junior and high. 

School. And I actually met Tom at a different gym in the area and he was kind of the guy running what you’re in college, then I yeah I was so that was that was probably go yeah those power strengths um, like right before they kind of transition to like their massive like upscale, um, I remember I had met this kid, oh my gosh he like came in just like super kind of quiet and like not timid but just like reserved and respectful. 

And then I remember the owner looked at me is like that kids amazing like make sure you kind of like make sure you get take care of him because he’s gonna do big things. I’m like, okay, it’s like I remember like I was kind of kept my eye on Colton and like he said like he was like a sophomore in college and are in high school and I was a freshman in college at the time and since I was local like I was like one of the only college athletes around because most of their people were either out of town or out of state. 

But so it’s kind of cool that I got to kind of they almost like kind of put me in charge in a sense of like leading the groups from an athlete standpoint and those are some fun workouts, we we had some crazy times yeah. I remember so I remember starting in the the barn or whatever the ground yeah yeah the auto glass whatever that was and then it wasn’t too long after I started that we moved into that bigger facility, but I just remember seeing time like he said like in a leadership position in the the college group and it was you know, as a As a sophomore high school like he said I was kind of timid shy and just like man like these are some dudes getting shirts off just yeah, they’re mine yes, um if I mean, I didn’t do much I gotta talk with how much it was like the occasional like passing by yeah no relationship whatsoever really no and then um, Then I switched over to freak factory and then it just so happened that time was interning with hunter at that at that time really not shortly after I started yeah. 

I was gonna say you’re you’re actually there before me as an athlete yeah well it wasn’t too long for you how well how did you so what was the story behind the switch what was uh going to that a little bit yeah yeah, so I was at like our football summer workouts and hunter came with so it was his former coach. 

Jack again who had a son on my team one of my good friends. And so Hunter was there and just kind of like promoting free factory and kind of where they were located and and whatnot and I kind of went up to hunter afterwards and talked with them and it kind of seemed like they had very similar values as as power strength and to be honest, it was a little bit cheaper a little closer to home and I don’t know. 

I just I’ll check it out check it out liked it. And then just kind of started up from there yeah, but what’s next so starting freak factor you were interning. And I would say I really our relationships started to grow sugar app or during that time and then I kind of laughed I stopped playing football after year in college and was then kind of like looking for a job working like some warehouse jobs and it was brutal now what you wanted to be doing exactly and so I actually contacted hunter and I was like, hey man, um, like I know I don’t have much experience doing it like I’m going to school for exercise science don’t know if you have a position or, Something and so he kind of um took me under his wing as a coach more so than the athlete at that point and started off it a training and like just like fell in love with it and then at that time you were actually on your way out to head to basics you weren’t even coaching at that right, yeah, I think it was kind of it’s about like a month overlap from the time I left the time I think they brought you on which was sweet. 

I mean, I remember because even like back when even just backtracking the back when like cold wasn’t a high school athlete. I mean the roles that Definitely reverse so it was like going from watching this kid be so timid and just like and just kind of like shy but then like he had this almost like this quiet alpha personality where he’s not like the raw like getting your face fire you up, but like what he did in the weight room just fired everybody up because I mean he was he was bigger than he is now for sure but we joke about that but I mean, it’s like a high school like quarterback linebacker like dual threat you. 

I mean, you would come in and he’d move some serious way and then just go and eat spray and use fast. To never be else and and you can tell like because most people who did comment the time where his teammates from high school and but everyone just like loved him and he was like the the leader but the leader through action and so it was really cool to see like that because there’s about a two-year gap where we kind of just didn’t cross paths until we came back kind of full circle back to free factory, but I mean it was super cool to watch this kid come through and then even as a coach like I know for it for me personally like in the situation we’re in now like yeah, he’s he maybe came with a the table with not a whole ton of like, Coaching experience but I mean all the best coaches we’ve ever had here or anything anyone I’ve ever met who’s a really good coach was definitely an athlete in some sort of private sector program and that experience alone is probably worth way more than any degree or certification. 

I could probably recommend so I mean the dude came in and he was already he probably knew more than he thought but um, it was cool when I came back and made to see just how much he had developed as a coach and like how he I mean was basically on his own could run the whole show no problem but um, yeah that was special to see yeah, yeah like a little. 

Little side note he said about coaches in that the private sector yeah. I remember we were going for like one of our long distance last summer we were doing just killing ourselves yeah, but um, I want to hear about that yeah we were just talking you’re just talking and saying how? 

Like I don’t know how it would work if you didn’t have a coach that was like that like they just don’t understand because it’s really not about like coaching for says it’s just like a relationship with the athletes. I feel like and they they just I feel like those people that were in it they’ll coaches were such inspirations to them, so it’s like they understand like how important it is to be that for somebody else no you’re you’re so right and like I like I the more I like have been in this a lot than the more I’ve come to kind of believe that as well, it’s it’s like there is this kind of this. 

Culture piece and this community piece I was like you just can’t really teach that to someone unless they’ve been a part of it for themselves, um, and it makes a huge difference to like know like hey like I know how these athletes feel like I’ve been in their shoes before I’ve done all this stuff before so yeah, it’s more relatable for you as a coach but it’s also easier for you to teach because I mean you’ve done it so it’s almost like second nature to you at that point yeah yeah exactly and that’s what helped me going in as a coach. 

I mean, that’s all I didn’t know yeah it luckily it was I was around like the right people. Were right coaches that I knew there were the right way yeah so was when it came to technique movement whatever it was I I had done it so I knew yeah, you might not have been able to explain it like and biomechanical terms but I mean you could do it and you do it well yeah I’m doing it for so long and so like even like like I said back to even when you’re an athlete that’s like leading through your actions, like it’s kind of the same concept, right? 

I mean, if you can dig easily like you you need to be able to at least demo something if you can’t explain it and like, I mean, you always have that going for you, um, But I guess if we can circle back now. I know Eric wants to know about last summer our training well, how are we doing it was ridiculous, um, I had come back from basic and I gotten her and so I got out processor whatever and so once I came home, um, I saw like I left and Colton was like athletic and like pretty like like lean and in shape but I came back and the kid had put on at least like 15 pounds of just like straight mass like still all cut up like single digit body fat and just jack and I came home. 

I was about 30 pounds. Lighter than I usually was and I was like you danced I was like yeah this is terrible oh my I could not like let’s run you know so what we ended up doing is like oh my hey like I need to put on good weight like yesterday so like we started training together, um, every single day like we would go six days a week and it was all just like kind of like bodybuilder asked like hypertrophy style like let’s see how big we can get over the summer, but then obviously like in between I still kind of had this like military mentality where it’s like, oh you can do more like you never really do enough and like the back of my mind. 

I was. Completely wrong but like that’s we’re dumb and like you’re not training for anything specific so you can kind of push the envelope in that sense and so we would we would do these like ridiculous like high volume like leg workouts are like deadlift workouts and then after that we go for like a 20 or 30 minute like long slow distance run or swim yeah or we’d swim I remember teaching him how to swim was hilarious, oh my gosh, but I mean yeah that’s that would be a kind of like our split we would do like our session and like the morning and either right after that we’d either run or swim and then like late in the evening would come back and then hit. 

The like vanity workout or like some abs and stuff like that and that was our summer. I mean that was it was not a bad summer. I mean just to wake up when you wake up you’d coach you train and you coach some more and like that was a wrap yeah and then doing what we did on the weekends it was a good time yeah, what would you do differently? 

Besides just not running oh I think I would still run I think we would probably change it to more of like a track style like tempo and like we did we did do a little bit of like microdose sprinting which looking back like it wasn’t really a micro dose because I hadn’t built up any sprint volume but also for me was almost like an intro yeah just sprint um, but he had been spraying the whole time and then kind of segued into that kind of training style where it’s more kind of lifting heavy and lifting focus mm-hmm, but I mean really looking back I would probably. 

I probably I mean the swimming was fine because that was we would be in terms of like how we structured it out we would do all our like if you want to call it cardio or whatever it was we would do it after the lift which is I would always say optimal in terms of how your energy systems work and stuff like you already burned through most your glycogen all your glucose and stuff so by that time like once you have to pull like you were already kind of in that oxidative like fat burning zone, so it was just like that’s what I use as a time as to kind of make sure like, you know, the time was trying to game like 30 pounds, so I gotta wanted to be like fat weight yeah. 

I don’t know I think that would be well what would you have changed well? I think I mean the obvious that like we did too much like we always joked right now about how I could like act cuz I was still trying to trying again like at least five to ten boys yeah and I could not yeah I was like why and usually eat more so I physically cannot it’s like I’m coaching yeah burning calories from the more moment I woke up and then just our workouts were yeah easy. 

I mean, like one of those backpacks with a shake on it, yeah, yeah. Dude I mean so yeah like those camelbacks that would be something that would be like Trevor move right there but, I mean, I don’t know it’s like I knew that I mean, it’s tough especially in the summer, it’s so dang hot up here in Michigan and like like like you said like you were literally like he was on cuz you were he was coaching our adult program in the morning last summer and so I mean he’d be at the gym at five. 

I remember I’d come all the time like after I didn’t I didn’t coach those groups but I’d come in at like eight or nine to start training and he would always be just like passed out in his truck. You like to sleep babe you’re like open the door so his feet would fit so get lay in the bed. 

I’m like what yeah mind you I was lost 20 years old yeah oh god having a rowdy time didn’t matter was yeah it was brand new girlfriend so you know yeah obviously lose getting no sleep did you uh, you guys think you’re overtrained any point or yeah, okay. I like kind of tweets pulled out. 

I’m not sure oh my groin yeah hamstring area was um, it takes me longer like recover just because of like our heart. Y program yeah oh yeah really solid recovery program yeah yeah, I mean, yeah, I think I think he was for sure but I definitely wasn’t. I mean, I was getting a solid eight to ten a night of sleep like and I was eating at time because I really don’t I mean, I think I over training is really more so not over training but under recovering and I think it is deal was I mean, he was getting four hours of sleep and like you said he could not eat enough yeah because he was throwing things from 5:30 till 8:30 at night. 

I mean, so, I think yeah going back I would definitely try to change that up for him but I mean for me I mean it was pretty ideal yeah yeah it’s swimming is a great. I mean, you’re yeah, yeah, it was it was good. I mean there are days where we’d hop in there we do like arms and then go to try something and or like back just like yeah I would like to try to pull in my lap just like stop working yeah like you just like so there like your hamstring would just zap up and get cramped it’s like yikes yeah yeah, that’s my first time ever like actually swimming free yeah some sort of exercise and so like I mean first, Time walk down there like we got in the pool I was like just splash around yeah I’m just I mean just burning calories yeah trying to get to the other couple times. 

I get halfway. I’m like man, like I need to get the other side or I’m gonna drop like we just have to get there 25 meters never seem so long until you have to pull I mean dude it’s like it’s night it’s not it’s it’s it was it was fun to watch him kind of learn how to do that but definitely not I mean because you always say like fatigue is the enemy of motor learning and so to get in there and try to teach this kid when he literally just probably. 

Did upwards of like 30 to 40 sets of like weight room volume like that like that was not wise yeah probably should have taken him like a day off and like taught him how to swim yeah do nothing else but concepts 2020 yeah well would you recommend and we talked about like you you’re depleting your glycogen in the workout yeah would you recommend like splitting it one morning and night like do yeah cardia. 

I mean that would that’s always idea whether it’s like even in like an in like the track and field like world if we want to relate it back to that typically what the higher level athletes do what it would be you do your sprint workout for. Person and about six hours post. 

Wrapping up that initial sprint workout people usually go back and do weights, so like. For the skill aspect. I mean, it would just depend on what is focus was like if he’s like, hey I got really want to get the swim thing down yeah then maybe make that for the priority and then back in the ways because I mean once you eat and like maybe get like some rest or like you’re just kind of taking like time and not doing as much I mean coaching isn’t really rest and like you’d either like go for concrete and work for your dad like manual labor like that probably wouldn’t help either so I think Probably a split would be sweet um I know it’s easier to do pool in the morning just because like the impact isn’t there and like it’s it’s easier to kind of get going it like you’re you have that cooling effect of the water so it’s yeah it is it’s really I mean it a pool for me is always been way more restorative than anything else unless you’re doing something like ridiculous like swim sprint like speed program, but most the time and what we were doing was definitely skilled work where we’d I’d have him do like a 25 or a 50 and then we’d sit there and we’d talk and the older is technique and then we get to have him do it again, it was very. 

Interval-ish. I would say with no real set plan until he kind of started developing the technique but that’s good yeah. I think we went like about it. Per se like the wrong way we just we just had so much on our play and like he said yeah all that stuff there they’re just there’s a lot yeah a lot of kind of I would say rabbits we were chasing oh and we were catching any of them but at the same time they weren’t really getting out of our grasp that they’re still in our site. 

I would say, So you’re sorry swimming and I know personally that you’re going to the National Guard you want to talk about that yeah next step journey and where you’re headed yeah yeah so it was in February almost when I swore in sign the contract with the National Guard so I got a pretty late ship date due to some like being here. 

I can internship. I was able to get it kind of pushed back a little bit so I’ll take off September 28th as my ship and from there, like I’m going out of Arizona. And then so I’m in training from I got October ish to like mid March yeah, I mean, I don’t know oh yeah talk about like has that always been your dream ever since you’re five-year-old five-year-old people are saying I want to be a firefighter. 

I’ll be a ninja you’re like gonna be the national yeah, no, you know no, um, so the military kind of intrigued me it was it was really like I was so focused like Tom kind of mentioned as an athlete like in high school, it was like football. Football and then I went to college played for a year and I was like man I did it kind of thing and it really wasn’t what like I thought it would be like um, so then I kind of went to the coaching path and and at that point the military was just like something I mean, I always really respected, um, like members of the military or really like any like first responder and, So that’s I was thinking about it and then there’s after my software years. 

I was actually I had unrolled from the college I was at and I was I mean, I was pretty dead set on like doing special ops in in some branch and I don’t know I think I mean just praying about it and like talking like out about it it was he kind of led me in different directions to a college down in Arizona. 

And kind of did that but there was always that military I don’t know kind of idea like the back of my head and I kind of chose the national guard as a way to kind of introduce me to the military like style and just kind of see what it’s all about see if it’s um, kind of what I really want to do with my life because you can always go active duty from there, right? 

I think just the opportunities it gives you is open still it opens or exactly it opens doors. Yeah and so then I kind of talk started talking I just I one day I just went to the National Guard office and kind of talked and I’m like man, this is really something I could get behind and it I mean, it really wasn’t long just a lot of praying and thinking about it and decided just to kind of go for it and not not really live and like fear of you know, like what could happen and just kind of over thinking things out like you know, I feel like God’s calling me to do this so um, I’m gonna go ahead and just act on yeah just act on it, so that’s awesome yeah, would you so the swimming you did last summer that wasn’t in preparation for. 

No but like like we had talked like, It was always in the back of my mind yeah it’s kind of like taking more serious than yeah it was that I guess one reason why I want to kind of learn or and I also still am kind of thinking of training like that tactical population, right so I mean that’s a conversations we were having last summer. 

I remember was hey like like who do you want to coach like what like what does this look like and like and anytime we kind of sit down after our our workouts we’d always this would always kind of come back to this this tactical idea where it’s like hey, like I was like Colton was like, I would love to train for sponsors firefighter EMS police like, Veterans or even like because you were initially were even like yours wasn’t your first major like prosthetics yeah well it was yeah it was kind of like a way to get into a yeah so like even working with like disabled veterans or wounded veterans like stuff like that had always kind of appealed to him, um, and I remember I was kind of that same boat where it’s like hey, like I would like to be a part of that community first because I know at least from the people who do it now that I carry like it’s very very tough to work with that group of people if if you’re not part of their clique in a sense so like because they are very, you know, that community. 

Is tried and true and they’re basically like forged an iron in the sense where like if you’re not in they’re they’re not really gonna let you in um, so I think that’s incredibly wise on your part to do that, especially to keep that door open, mm-hmm, but even you said like kind of firefighting was more the end goal rather than even active duty you want to kind of touch on that a minute yeah so I mean, that’s the that’s the plan right now well especially on the national guard is so finished training and like mid-arch or so. 

And like I said I’ll be I’ll be stationed in Arizona so then I’m looking to go there to like apply for a firefighting position there right away kind of after training get me I still have one more year of school left, but apply for a job kind of seeing off if I get it then I’ll you know figure out school like later on or within the next couple years kind of take it online or something but I’d really like to do firefighting and have eventually maybe lead that into like some wild land firefighting yeah that would be the wild wildlife to firefighting right there. 

Yeah that goes crazy yeah okay so so the initial firefighting that’s an actual firefighter in the truck structural and it’s okay structural firefighting yeah. I’ll stick in like the the mountain fires because it’s Arizona and they have yeah yeah those those kind of like hot shop positions and stuff are pretty tough to get really so and that’s another reason with like the national guard is like military experience your Lego yeah, yeah, you always have like you understand like hierarchy just like it works within like like the police departments and the firefighting departments you understand that hot. 

Hierarchy and so that military looks good finishing school looks good. I’m like if I just put all these things into place right and then oh it would just help me to get it kind of a job a big dream job. I guess you would say like that definitely it’s one very wise 21 year old right there, she’s I wish I had it inside of that age worried about what I was eating for breakfast that morning. 

Or if you sleep at 9 or 10 hours yeah, easy my recovery. No that’s awesome. I think I think that’s gonna bode well for you. I mean that’s gonna be yeah, I mean like the the amount of doors that’ll open just even when you get out like you said, I mean who wouldn’t want to be trained by not only a degree certified strength coach with tons of experience but then also stack on top of that military experience firefighting experience. 

I mean, that that’s gonna be one kick ass program and now I’d love to take part in for sure. I mean, Because I mean that that is like, I mean, we can even talk about that population for a minute where it’s like how undertrained is it like for especially with all the what’s going on in the media right now with like the police and all the flak they’re getting for these shootings or whatever you want to call them. 

I mean, it’s, It’s funny. I mean, I was listening to podcasts the other day where the former Navy SEAL was even talking about this how like it’s like hey like this isn’t. An issue of like character per se as it is an issue of just under training right like these people don’t know how to handle the personnel that they have to deal with on a daily basis so whether it’s like their ability to like detain it’s somebody like via jujitsu or like take down like kind of like non-lethal force versus all you know, You’re in a fight or flight situation you’re right yeah I mean like it’s like you don’t you don’t rise the occasion right you default to your level of training always and so like once they hit like their academy works like the follow-up training is terrible. 

I think it’s like four hours a year, they spend training where it’s like if you look at like an active duty spec ops like they’re training it’s there they train 18 months for a six-month deployment 31 yeah and so it’s like and then even if you look at firefighters like look at that the average body weight of Americans, like huge like they used to be like 150 to like 180 pounds now, it’s like 250 to. 

Weirdity and it’s like if you get some lady to false off her toilet and can’t get up and you’re gonna go dead lift her up off the floor and carry out of there get her an ambulance like your shoulder dude like the in like that and that’s like the whole the injury rates, oh like people like that because like you mean you get a firefighter’s been in 20 years wasn’t touched away in 20 years like the level preparedness just isn’t there so I think that’s a very under-prepared population in a sense where it’s so like kind of do it at your own pace like yeah like they have facilities where they’re people that use but are the people using them like not really yeah. 

I actually just saw pictures. This morning about that is is like a sign that said you can’t train enough for a job that can kill you okay seriously I mean that is like that is a life or death and your body is like your money maker in a sense like that’s like if you’re not taking care of that like that’s your livelihood that’s your occupation like that need you need to be able to meet a certain standard for sure. 

I don’t know and that nine granted like they maybe they have like their their state regulation standards or whatever like they’ll measure your ways and your neck and make sure you’re like, you’re a good shape like even after that, like I know most city police departments that Won’t even have like a follow up like once you’re in you’re in they don’t really have like you’re kind of just grandfathered in rather than having to maintain a standard yeah, so hopefully that changes but I mean something like this, I mean you I like the trend and this whole kind of like preparation world it’s getting it’s going in the right direction. 

I think you’re gonna see this a lot more as like first responders get a lot more kind of heat for not doing their job the way the public wants them to I think there might be kind of this transition to like either more training or better training and I think that that would go such a long way. 

Just in helping everybody out right because they they protect us they keep us safe they save our lives so it’s like the least you could do is do what you can’t at least make sure they’re prepared for that, you know, and I know you mentioned Jaco earlier yeah but you know he says like one fifth of the time as his idea would be a good a good idea, so whether it’s one day a week or two hours, yeah, I mean, it’s definitely a place to start right? 

I mean, I don’t know here’s here’s a good question, how would you right now knowing what you know, how do you train firefighter police department like how what would that look like oh man? I think that would. It would have to be it has to be a lot more individualized yeah of course than like what I’m guessing it is and I would say like like I was gonna kind of like button and say like a lot of like the experts in that area like those like those great coaches tactical coaches, they I think a lot of the firefighters policemen first responders forget like they are and athlete and like I would go out to say like they are like the ultimate athlete right like over like the NFL players and bears like they’re the ones that I mean, not that those like professional athletes don’t matter but like they are like the, Real professional athletes yeah save lives right and I think that they would need to be trained in a way that’s like that and like I said kind of the person, um, depending on like they’re like over if they’re overweight if they’re underweight kind of what they need anything more individualized and they need to be trained more like athletes if that’s what they are yeah. 

I just thought of something would you like if you were to take basketball or footballs and metaphor, would you rather have? Like a basketball player like LeBron James save you quote unquote or would you have someone in the rec league at the YMCA right yeah you know that’s what my parenting looks like you got to train more and you got to be intentional. 

I think another side of the coin is not only the physical preparedness but like when you’re training and your intentional about getting better, it helps you be mentally sharp yeah for sure so when you’re in the field, you can make quick decisions and you’re you’re like you’re thinking not just with you know, how do I get my nine to five done and get the paycheck and go home, it’s more of like you’re in action and you’re. 

Ready to go yeah and I would like on top of that too I’d say like you’re more confident like if you can go pick up pick up three fifteen you don’t get that left like you’re gonna feel one more confident, you know, like you said grabbing like a lady off the floor that’s like unconscious and you need to get her have a burning building right right like you’re you’re like you’re gonna know you can do it and it’s it’s not gonna be as nearly as much of a struggle yeah. 

I think I think the way I would look at it is like training for that population is not nothing more than stress inoculation and that’s what the military just does such a good job of right it’s like yeah, they’re. They’re like selection programs and they’re they’re like aren’t optimal by any means and then and they’re not meant to be because I mean you look once people get through that you look at their how they’re training differentiates like from like the selection and it’s so much better and professionalized and crisp and but like at the end of the day all you’re doing is like you said like you were getting them prepared to make those kind of flight or flight decisions like subconsciously because like hey, I don’t have to worry about my getting hurt. 

I don’t have to worry about whether or not I’m capable of getting this task done it’s like okay, like now all the stress and folk. S you’ve made on the decision like you said so I think in terms of like getting that population ready it’s all it is is like hey like let’s give them that confidence let’s let’s let’s give them the ability to handle stress because I mean that is like that is the most stressful like those professions are the most stressful right you the hours long the work is intense or it’s really slow so it’s kind of like this high low or you’re either to kind of just stand around or sitting around a lot right but then an enormous notice like hey, like there’s a hospital situation down the street we got to get down there gets that I get to like and then next thing, you know, you’re working 24 hours straight, so it’s like if you’re physically, Get ready I think the the mental strength does come with that and that’s like that’s what most people talk about now in terms of like mental toughness mental preparedness, it’s like I think the best mental toughest training is the best training for that is just being physical prepared right because if you like you said like the confidence like if you are physically capable this goes to athletes like gen-pop like anyone it’s like hey, like if you are capable of you trust your ability as a human being to do a task like everything else becomes that much easier yeah. 

Agreed let’s uh, you want transition yeah where you want to go with this I want to talk to clothes because we’ve had a few good chats yeah. I just want to give yes we go, what do you love about speed what’s your what’s your take on it from athletic standpoint and then also? 

Just a general view yeah why do, I love speed questions screws around stuff, um, I think having like what times you said speed kills like you look at like we’re like folks enough football you look at the Kansas City Chiefs and they got you know, Derek Hansen as a speed coach. 

I think I think it was his first year there if not like third yeah. I think he I think over the years his role got bigger and bigger whereas like consulting at first and then each year, they’re like, they’re realizing okay like this they’re onto something with. This and they started to kind of give him more responsibility in terms of their preparation, but not sorry go ahead and yeah, but um, I mean so did their cancers like one like probably the best sprint coach alive today yeah and so he got it like Thomas I got a hold and I got a little more control over the speed program at the cheese and like they want Super Bowl yeah so now it’s so it’s like it’s just it relates so much to sport and I think it’s coached completely wrong in most different most like team settings for sure and like I have yet even like online and stuff to at least in. 

Our area like even the Midwest to see like a a gym that coaches speed like we do and like the kind of like the the correct way of like a true speed training and so I think if we can offer that to athletes that just gives them a huge advantage in their sport, but it also speeds just because you feel feels good yeah when you’re when you kid up to even close the top yeah, there’s no feeling no question yeah, it’s it’s a different animal and I think like, For for speed it’s it’s top because I mean you obviously like the footage we move where you talk about football and like the Super Bowl it’s like that is such a like a weight room or at least in the the mindset is so weight room dominant and it’s like, oh you got to get stronger you got to get more explosive and it’s like, Yeah like that has its place but it also the same time I always tell this little younger kids because like they’re like even if you the younger like the middle school age boys like I need to be able to bench to replenish I’m gonna be able to squat the house and it’s like that is great and I’m not gonna knock you for even trying to attempt that but what is the use of all that strength if you can’t even touch somebody right like and I had this conversation the other night it’s like hey like like we were talking about like lime and b and like overweight and like their ability to like play or like even just their capacity like yeah like they they’re big and they’re good for about three plays, but then they got. 

Nothing in the tank after that, it’s like, All that size and all that strength is only useful if they can apply it to the situation they’re in so like if you’re if you’re not fast you can’t get around your linemen, you can’t get to the quarterback if you’re not fast you can’t ditch the cornerback like it’s like you’re useless and so that’s like that is really like that’s what separates the good from the average from the good the good from the best and the best from great. 

I mean, It is the ultimate performers and answer. Especially in that NFL where it’s like your breakaway speed is what’s gonna determine if you’re putting points on the board right yeah and it’s like people like all like agility quickness like you got to be able to have quick for you it’s like well even watch like a good like kick return or like a good wide receiver with that breakaway speed it’s like it is one cut and let’s see tomorrow and they are getting out of there as fast they can’t because it’s all about trying to like yeah maybe do something side to side but it’s always you get back to a sprint yeah like that’s sport in general so and that’s the way we’ve always kind of looked at it and it’s like, It’s almost like common sense but because it is like common sense and it seems too simple people assume because it’s simple it’s not correct mm-hmm and that’s why you see like hey like we’re gonna get this person safe we’re just gonna run over to the ground so they throw up and it’s like well what’s the last time you saw something to throw up during a game like if I had the athlete if I was like teams coach I had something throwing up during a game we have problems like they’re not prepared and that’s my fault but wow which is layer is because I threw up every track meet we had did you relate yeah at the meats was that nerves you think or as always after the four by four and whoo what’s a different animal? 

But I mean this is off topic but the best 400 runners 800 runners typically the hardest races that are the most taxing yeah, if you watch them on, you know, like you’re on TV or whatever they finish and they’re literally standing up ready for the interview yeah I’m like that’s a different level of training yeah no and it’s always like it goes train smart compete stupid yeah like there’s not like yeah like there’s no smart way to run a 400 right it’s like, hey you have about 48 to 50 seconds to win and you just literally gotta go. 

Where’s like when you train it’s like running as many 400s as you can as fast you can it’s not gonna get you better at that it’s like you gotta chunk it up you gotta kind of attack each phase of the run and you and you gotta and like you like we talked about the whole motor learning piece it’s like if you’re fatigued you cannot learn a new skill and you can’t do a skill well if you’re not completely recovered, you know, yeah, yeah needs to be mentioned to that. 

Like you mentioned you know, like these like high school middle school like dudes that come in and yeah, they want to like squat the house bench whatever but not like so when people don’t really realize how real like sprint training or speed training transitions right into that like I remember my first yeah Derek Hanson, um, like sprint program. 

I was probably 20 pounds later than like when I was playing football, yeah and, 20 pounds stronger and like everything yeah I get least it crazy it was I got my mom I like you and like honor I always told me like yeah you’ll get stronger you’re stronger from that like okay yeah it’s sprinting. 

I don’t I don’t see out on my bench is gonna go up yeah and like what do you know, like my bench shoots up like 30 pounds yeah crazy yeah it’s one of those things where it’s like it’s very hard to get buy-in until until it’s just done and like and I think that goes back to like having a coach who has been in it and we talked about the beginning it’s like he’s done this and like you can see like you. 

Do look at you look at a guy like cold and you’re okay like guys like like a younger dude I’m coming in here like that’s my coach. I’m okay, like probably to listen to him cuz one he looks like an athlete he moves like an athlete and like even like when we supposed to videos it was training and stuff it’s like how could like this it works okay and it’s clear to see um, but that was always something I was surprised at about two is like it’s like okay, like you’re gonna tell me I’m gonna get stronger in the weight room like the spinning is gonna make me stronger not necessarily the weights. 

Because I mean when you when you flip the rolls like we said like we would come from this background or like I was powerlifting somewhere okay like the body to get stronger is to train with heavy weights and like wave it out and like you have all these different different metal like methods of getting stronger when it really was as simple as just running a straight line as fast as you can with good rest periods and a good kind of intensity and good volume like loading parameters and like that in and of itself we’ll get you stronger yeah that’s that’s also another point of like twice can train so important they like in a trained person would be. 

Like you can get stronger from sprinting or from lifting heavy weights like you like lifting anyways will still get you strong that right but you can you can I get faster like you cannot improve your max speed by in a trained person by lifting heavy weight right yeah it’s I mean the combination of two’s lethal but if you had to pick one like just sprint like and even like that’s what we’re trying to preach over over the cove and break was like guys like yeah, like you can’t come in and lift it our facility but like hear these workouts, like I promise you and like and tell like even if these past, Three weeks we’ve been back like you know who’s been sprinting at home and you know because there’s like they’re just as strong as they were when they left and like the fact that they didn’t lose any of that and all they had access to was like a tracker field or like a driveway or sidewalk, it’s like it’s really all it takes but it’s hard for people to wrap their ride on something just a simple like that, um, But I mean our hours remember this great quote was like, I don’t know who’s by what it’s like simplicity is the ultimate performance sophistication, so it’s like like the simpler something is you usually the more profound it can be and I was pretty sweet yeah, that’s awesome yeah. 

Simple is simple speed is simple. I mean, yeah, I mean, it really is you can read all these books articles and what have you and there’s there’s I mean. All many paths lead to Rome and there’s all this there’s definitely different ways to get there but I think at the end of the day like when we talked about like sprint fast it’s print hard rest do it again and like that’s really all if you’re really to simplify down to like brass tacks like that’s really all it is yeah yes, especially if you’re not trained in it yeah like I mean like when we always talk about like the youth athlete and how how easy it is to train them as long as it’s just like there’s just some semblance of a plan in place because they are they’re like a new toothpaste like anything you do to them, like you can just touch the tube and something’s gonna come out. 

And like it’s not until you get into that level where you are 20 ish years old you’ve been training for five years at that point it’s like yeah and then we can start to play around with more specificity but like I don’t think we’ll ever have to touch that in our place just because we don’t work with that kind of athlete that’s like everyone’s young they’re developing like you give them a good foundation you teach them good technique and the rest gonna take care of itself, well, let let your let puberty and hormones do their thing let life do its thing and just get out of the way yeah. 

Well. It’s been about an hour we got goose coming in here pretty soon as anything we want to kind of wrap up with and touch on before we close out today. Colton so. What’s here? Sport history just football football football and track in high school and then one year football yeah in college division three program and what about middle school elementary school that was yeah. 

I mean, I’ve always done like a football guy football so it was always football like I dabbled in some basketball never much of a base. I’m much baseball that’s looking I wish I died looking back on baseball. I wish I was like down with some hockey, yeah. We’re getting a lot more baseball guys in here as a lady name it’s like softballs always been one of our main main go-tos it’s like that looks like a lot of fun especially like when you see the way like what we do transfers to how they play like these people are just beating the cover off the ball at the play or they’re just like they’re stealing bases like it’s so job and like it like the speed and power aspect then baseball like that was something I always I was like, okay, so it’s not really a sport but like the more I’ve been like coaching it been around. 

I’m like, I love baseball now and like you would ask me a two years ago. I’ve been like dude screw off. I gotta want baseball. Yeah, I’m just gonna stay like baseball. Like for what we train with speed. I mean, it is like perfect it’s like whatever you hit the ball and you are sure that’s it and then you rest yeah like that is. 

Sick yeah it is sick it’s sick all right man, we’ll hey this is awesome. I think we’ll definitely before you take off we’ll definitely have you back on just to kind of go over you’re kind of you I want I love people to know about like you kind of like your five-year plan eventually and stuff like that will be a good kind of follow-up podcast, but um, thanks for coming on Cole, this is this is a ton of fun, um looking forward to kind of doing this again guys, thanks for listening we’ll, Yeah, thank you yeah.

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